I agree with Dennis that anything is possible because we haven’t seen the evidence. But if they have solid evidence he committed forgery, I think Larry will go to jail for a number of reasons:
a) He’s ticked off the DA’s office with bogus charges.
b) Colorado have built a better prison for this type of troubled prisoner that will minimize his litigious tendencies because they can keep him caged with absolute minimal human contact.
c) He’s a classic habitual offender and Colorado is one of the toughest on habitual offender sentencing.
d) In part due to his mental illness, he will never have any remorse, as he never has, and therefore, he will never stop committing criminal offences.
e) He’s been a tremendous burden on society while he’s been out of jail (FBI, Secret Service, law enforcement, White House family, bureaucrats in government, etc), will never carry his own weight and half of what it will cost to incarcerate him will be paid for by relief of not having to pay him social security while he’s in prison. In other words, as far as the public is concerned, it’s arguably substantially cheaper for the public to keep him in jail.
f) He’s admitted to smuggling illegal aliens and drug trafficking for which he hasn’t been convicted so a sentence for forgery helps pay that debt to society.
g) He’s evaded Colorado justice as a fugitive felon.
h) If they look at what he’s told him, he’s arguably committed a felony in perjury in his affidavits.
i) Very arguably the only reason he got off passing counterfeit money orders in Delaware was for political reasons – not because he was innocent – another debt to society not fully paid.
j) He’s one of the biggest fucking useless dead weight assholes I’ve ever encountered.
The Regulator Too 
Yep WTPL?, you pretty much summed it all up. I especially like item J. And great job on the photo, Meesh. You must have waited for him at the Burger King.
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They’ll wear him like a T-shirt.
His next appearance date is June 9, if I recall correctly – this coming Monday.
You’re correct LTL
Six years to the day M&N posted…”June 9, 2008 Larry Sinclair went to Washington.”
That was one of his epic fails…here I just jinxed June 9th,2014. 🙂
Same date. Fascinating. Maybe he will suddenly demand that he should be turned over to Delaware authority claiming that he really did know that there were bogus money orders. Then he can delay the stuff in Colorado while munching off the tax free state.
That was the first visit to Washington…. however 10 days later “June 19th, 2008” he was arrested and was booted into jail.
So you are saying that this is kind of a tradition? Glad to see he is running right on schedule.
I’m looking forward to hearing how his lawyer explains what’s been going on since June 2008. Will he claim that he has dedicated himself to public service by becoming a freelance reporter “uncensored and unafraid” providing critical information on matters of public interest? How could a jury send someone like that to prison and deprive America of such rare journalistic contributions?
Hmmm let me see.. there’s lots and lots of territory to cover since 2008…For *one* of many many things methink the Secret Service and the White House can fill in some relevant gaps that would make his journalistic run non-existent.Just sayin’
He’s *Batshit crazy* and he certainly hasn’t been the political target that he claims to be.
It would be hilarious if the Secret Service agent testifies. But that could confuse the jury. If the case somehow becomes about whether he pissed off Obama a hung jury starts to seem not so far-fetched.
It won’t be, no matter how much Fatso wants it. The crimes took place well before and are totally unrelated in every possible way. Ironically, he is up on some pretty two-bit stuff that wouldn’t be so bad if he wasn’t on his 3rd go around in that state.
OK Let’s try this, remember in his 2004 Motion to Dismiss the *severe spine problems*, the shopping list of ailments?
Relating to this:
Flying High Over The Atlantic 2010
Jet skiing,that involves proper balance…
Scaling over rocks July 25th, 2008
Douche, Can you spell:
P-E-R-J-U-R-Y?
Come to think of it, the only way the victim-of-Obama defense could be presented would be through his own testimony. But there’s no way on earth he’s going to testify so making the case about Obama is a non-starter.
A bunch of this stuff about his Obama scam, the Secret Service, politics, internet warriors, etc has absolutely nothing to do with this case – much of that happening long after 2000-2001 when the alleged forgery took place and it took place completely independent of this case. They’ll focus on the evidence relevant to this case to determine if he’s guilty of forgery and theft. The rest should he attempt to bring it up will be ignored as it should be. It has no bearing on whether he forged signatures, etc.
He can question the motivation of the DA until he’s blue in the face but it will get him nowhere. Whether the DA was right in going after him will again be determined by the evidence and verdict in this case. The DA doesn’t even need a guilty verdict to justify asking the legal question of whether he’s guilty of forgery and theft. His own affidavits already support criminal investigation.
Should he be found guilty, he may then attempt to bring this stuff up when the judge is considering sentencing. Because of the length of sentence he faces as a multiple habitual offender in felony forgery, the judge will probably take his time and have all parties weigh in. But bringing up the Obama stuff, etc will ring hollow because Obama, the internet warriors, FBI, Secret Service, etc didn’t forge that check in 2000. The Hungry Bottom will have been found guilty of doing that all by himself.
The prosecutor may well chime in with letters from the FBI, Secret Service and law enforcement on what a pain in the ass he’s been, his confessions to illegal aliens and drug smuggling, his fugitive felony efforts to evade Colorado justice, his felony perjury in his affidavits, his criminal history, his death threats made against us, etc.
I doubt it gets that far though. If it looks like they’re going to get a conviction, I still think he’ll try to run.
WTPL? said:
You’re right about it not having anything to do with the forged check, but his lawyer would say it shows that he has since then rehabilitated himself and is now a productive (White) member of society who should not be sentenced to prison rape based upon some ancient, dubious allegations from Hispanic low-lives who brought the charges out of personal spite. So a racist juror could think “Hispanic immigrants”, “White gay male” and “Obama”. Those concepts coming together before a Colorado jury could produce some unpredictable, (and outrageous) outcomes.
Wouldn’t his lawyer be bringing a bunch of that up during the hearing on sentencing ie “now a productive (White) member of society” – after the jury had rendered it’s verdict?
As well, if one murders someone 14 years ago and they since become a born again Christian, I don’t think that gets them off the murder charge. It might help to reduce a lengthy sentence.
Of course, in his case, one could make a pretty good argument that he really hasn’t changed his criminal behavior – particularly in fraud:
– he constantly deceives – including with a 2004 affidavit to this court that appears to constitute felony perjury – including forgery
– he perpetrated the Obama fraud scam
– he’s apparently fraudulently scammed Social Security disability by not reporting income according to his own testimony in the public domain (ie Laredo money from illegal aliens, claims he played Santa Claus with tens of thousands in vehicles and appliances up until 2004, Obama & book money, etc). How the heck does a guy on $674/month disability own all the vehicles he’s had? How did him getting Delaware to help him get accommodations not constitute fraud when he had thousands in counterfeit money orders and cash – I think they have a $2,000 cash in your pocket limit?
– he continued to evade justice with this case, the Delaware warrant and the Florida warrant
– he continues his threatening violent behavior from his prison years (threatening Obama and Us for example)
etc
He may have changed some of his modus operandi with the Obama scam but the essence of his deceptive and threatening criminal behavior hasn’t changed much since he got out of jail.
That’s what the prosecution is sure to argue when Legion’s lawyer tries to bring any of that stuff up. But a judge might allow Tameler to challenge a witness during cross examination by asking something along the lines of “Isn’t it true that this man whom you have accused of forgery in 2001 has for the past 14 years NEVER been charged again with any such acts, but, to the contrary, has been dedicating himself to uncensored and unafraid journalism in the public interest?” (I’m paraphrasing.) In other words, Legion won’t have to testify to get that info heard by the jury. He will only need to get a haircut and shave and sit there while looking unthreatening, clean and gay. His lawyer will introduce irrelevancies into the case, even if the prosecution repeatedly objects and the objections are sustained. The jurors will have still heard the questions and the witness will still be left to squirm under further cross examination.
Note to LardAss Sinkliar: the jury is in and you better get ready for
Be careful Dennis, that recording might just get him wet.
Oh sure Fat Boy, you will get your 3 squares a day and lots of opportunity to further your lwa career. But there will be those long lonely nights when all you can do is stay in the hush stillness of the cell block remembering what could have been between you and Ali Akbar
Let’s not forget this one from Sinclair Watch via Mitch and Nan I:
If one were to google “Larry Sinclair, Donald Young” the long list of links implicating Barack Obama in Donald Young’s murder is astounding. Sinclair had an army of supporters flooding the internet with the Donald Young story as told by Larry Sinclair.
Finally, Sinclair’s proponents got the “smoking gun” they were looking for to bring Obama down! Or so they thought. His supporters sent him money to go around the country tours, informing people about “the real Barack Obama and the Donald Young connection”.
Sinclair allies also paid for trips to Washington, DC. First, to the Democratic National Committee Rules/Bylaws Committee Meeting in DC in May 2008. Then for Sinclair’s National Press Conference in June 2008. Both trips were meant to shine a spotlight on Sinclair’s allegations and finally make the mainstream media take notice.
Unfortunately, Sinclair decided to send “anonymous” threats to some of his detractors the day of his arrival in DC (May 28, 2008). The threats were traced to the hotel in which Sinclair was staying. The irony is that his actions that night were added to the court records in the blogger case and may have had some impact in the ultimate outcome.
It should be noted that from the time Sinclair announced the “Donald Young connection to Barack Obama” until his News Conference, Sinclair’s supporters numbered at least 500 and maybe more. This was Sinclair’s peak in terms of collecting money for his different tours and visits to DC.
The Mitch & Nan Show: Where is LaRye’s Proof? July 8, 2008
THE MONEY
Larry insist this is not about the money. Though he has recently abandoned all attempts to “get his story out and further his cause”, fundraising is now and has always been in full swing.
And first and foremost, Larry’s entire “LAWSUIT” which to date has been a MISERABLE failure, is an attempt to sue three bloggers for “slander”.
It seems evident that as Larry hangs on to the vestige of support he has remaining, he is intent that these gullible, feeble-minded, bigots (and Hillary Clinton hang ons) be milked to help pay off his criminal debts and keep him from jail.
He did this with a Florida warrant and continues to do it today. For a complete list of Larry’s illegal collections, raffles and the fleecing of the feebs, please visit here:
http://themitchandnanshow.wordpress.com/larry-and-his-money/
So why is it SO clear to us and others that while Larry claims “its not about money” it is ALL ABOUT MONEY?
“All about the money…”, indeed.
When all the “projects” listed above failed, and Sinclair supporters were out of tens of thousands of dollars, with nothing to show for it, Larry Sinclair came up with another idea. He decided to write a book. He asked his supporters to buy advance copies of the book (to fund the self publishing venture), and that the book would be delivered in early January 2009. The book was eventually self published and ready for distribution in August 2009. Many of the supporters hung on to their last hope that Sinclair will eventually get mainstream media notice. They felt the book, entitled Barack Obama & Larry Sinclair: Cocaine, Sex and Murder? would contribute to President Barack Obama’s downfall. To date, the book has not fared very well. Although Sinclair sent a free copy to many news commentators and news outlets, the book has never been mentioned on network or cable news programs…not even once.
Having endured yet another fail with his book, Sinclair did not want to give up his internet “cash cow”. So in late November 2009, Sinclair announced that he would run for Congress in his district (FL-24). He has asked for donations toward his ‘campaign’. Sinclair had a counter on his congressional page showing the donations, but recently took it down. Perhaps it was because of the current IRS issues he’s having. Perhaps thats why he took down his “PayPal” button as well.
Tying up loose ends:
Larry Sinclair lost the lawsuit against the bloggers.
Larry Sinclair’s attorney, Montgomery Sibley was suspended from practicing law in DC and FL.
Larry Sinclair was arrested after his press conference at the NPC.
Larry Sinclair’s supporters have for the most part, moved on to attach themselves and their support to the “birther queen” , Orly Taitz.
So the final question is: Larry Sinclair, grifter or profiteer?
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn defines “grifter”:
grifter – swindler: a person who swindles you by means of deception or fraud
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profiteering_(business) defines “profiteer”:
Profiteering is a pejorative term for the act of making a profit by methods considered unethical
Either way, Sinclair has found a niche on the internet that is his very own “cash cow”. It appears that as one scheme after the other fails, Mr. Sinclair will come up with a new one and most assuredly, the few die-hard supporters he has left, will be right there to give him what he wants.
POSTSCRIPT: LARRY SINCLAIR AND THE MONEY
It appears that a link I posted in the previous post did not work so I decided to reproduce the entire article from The Mitch and Nan Show dated July 8, 2008 here:
LARRY AND HIS MONEY
Money, Larry, Moma and Tabitha Sinclair Grasmick
In his blog and in several radios interviews, Larry claims he is NOT in this exercise for the money. However, Nut Bread, Donations, Pay Pal, Raffles, etc. show up continuously on his blog. Larry himself, Moma and BevAnn seem to be the most “effective” fund-raisers and to date, there has been no real accounting of what Larry has done with the money he has received.
Here is what we KNOW Larry has received to this point:
$20,000 from WhiteHouse.COM for failed polygraph test
$500 from “The Globe” for photograph
$8,000 (Minimum) for his 1st trip to Washington D.C. (likely more)
$11,000 (minimum) for his 2nd trip to Washington D.C., his arrest and stay in Delaware
$10,400 for Press Conference
$10,000 (Minimum) for his “criminal defense” fund
Undisclosed Amount for paid trip to Los Angeles for failed polygraph
$925 Payment to Florida Court
Total received (only which can be verified) is in excess of $60,000.
Confirmation of these receipts are on his own blog:
WhiteHouse.COM- Posted by Larry Sinclair on Saturday, March 22, 2008 “The WhiteHouse.com, Inc. check did clear the bank”
Globe payment confirmed on his blog and in recent radio interview.
First DC Trip: http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/2008/06/07/the-fight-goes-on/
2nd Trip to DC- Based on answers to interview questions
Press Conference- Based on answer to question at Press Conference
Defense Fund- $5,000 from one individual; $5,000 in donations. Documented in Larry’s own website.
Florida Payment-
There has been NO accounting or audit of the money Larry Sinclair has received.
Periodically, there are glimpses to what he “claims” and other times there are “slip-ups” he rushes to cover.
For example, Larry claims he gave the $20,000 from WhiteHouse.Com to his mother.
“The WhiteHouse.com, Inc. check did clear the bank and my mothers back past due bills have in fact now been paid as was the stated purpose of those funds.”
Given Mrs. Sinclair is currently in bankruptcy, an amount of money of this size is required to be reported to the Bankruptcy Court and distributed accordingly. We will follow up with this court tomorrow to assure this has been done.
Larry has NEVER addressed or been pressed about a disbursement of “donated” money to Tabitha Sinclair Grasmick.
He made a disbursement to Tabitha Sinclair for $150. She appears to be a 25-year-old female who claims to live in New Orleans Louisiana.
This assessment was made over 18 months ago. Of course there have been more fundraisers to publish his book. Although Sinclair grossed thousands for “advanced sales” of his book (which was not even written at the time) he then decided to form a corporation and sell stock in the corporation in order to get the money needed to uh… ”publish the book”. One need only connect the dots to see that Sinclair had a real problem with “money management”. It’s no wonder the IRS is hot on his trail as we speak.
Another good UPDATED analysis into Sinclair’s ability to raise money can be located here.
Great job, K. Few, if any, others know his Obama related scam efforts as well as you.
But what do you mean when you say “Another good UPDATED analysis into Sinclair’s ability to raise money can be located here.”
Where? Did you mean to leave a link?
LTL,
At the time when KStreet posted that on Sinclair Watch – the original Regulator was in full force…so KStreet had hyperlinked “here” with the link to The Regulator…. Now it comes up with “Scuba Regulator”Maybe she’ll see that and change it, unless you’re in the market to buy scuba equipment… it’s the place to go. 😀
It just dawned on me that there might be a strategy to Legion’s postings about all his dirty history with the victim in this case. It might be to show that they had a long practice, if not an implicit agreement, that they would operate outside the law, including the settling of legal disputes and debts. So for Carmen to break from that tradition and attempt to invoke the law now is somehow strange and unfair, and probably motivated by something other than the loss of the money and respect for the law. Even if Legion forged the check, since “there is no honor among thieves” the jury would be, essentially, siding with one thief over another if they convict. It’s not so hard to imagine a juror siding with the White “journalist” crook over the inherently suspicious Hispanic crook under the circumstances, especially when the juror’s decision might, literally, save his butt.
I hope the prosecution is already prepared for this.
You are right that he sounds as if he is trying to cook something like this up, but it is pretty stupid. The main principle involved is that of in pari delicto which is best described by the Legal Dictionary http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=971 as “Latin for “in equal fault,” which means that two (or more) people are all at fault or are all guilty of a crime. In contract law, if the fault is more or less equal then neither party can claim breach of the contract by the other; in an accident, neither can collect damages, unless the fault is more on one than the other under the rule of “comparative negligence”; in defense of a criminal charge, one defendant will have a difficult time blaming the other for inducing him or her into the criminal acts if the proof is that both were involved.”
It mostly comes up in civil suits (which appears to be the main area of law that Fat Boy half understands – but only by half). In a criminal case, this would only apply if they were both co-defendants. But they are not. Instead, the victim’s own background (personal or criminal) is largely irrelevant to the crime committed by the defendant.
So far, LardBrain seems to be trying to argue that Carmen (the victim) got mad about catching him with her husband and as a woman scorned, pressed these silly criminal charges against him. But that is totally irrelevant in regards to the basic facts of the case (her checks, his bank account). Instead, he seems to be trying to spook the victim with the basic threat that he will try to introduce as “evidence” photos of his butt and her husband’s face. However, he seems to be forgetting that the judge would have to wake up stupid one morning to even allow this crap to be included in the case. After all, his butt is also totally irrelevant to the case. The whole woman scorned defense is completely irrelevant. The victim’s perceived hostility to the bum that robbed her has no bearing on the actual facts of the criminal charges.
So basically, Fatso has just devoted two thousand plus words to jerking off in public.
Excellent analysis. However, it’s effectiveness depends upon the listener. Terms like “in pari delicto” could sound somewhat obscene to a Colorado juror. There’s a limit to the amount of law they will actually hear and remember, much less understand, much less follow. But the average juror, otherwise untrained in the law, does understand one crook accusing another. Therefore, what should be relevant under the law and what is relevant to a juror can be completely different.
The jury won’t be involved. It’s the judge who will be stepping on this. Though you are right that in pari delicto sounds like something wild and illegal in many states.
In contract law, all clauses or parts of an agreement to do something illegal – the clause or potentially the entire contract is thrown out or ignored as if it never existed. The law is complicated enough without trying to sort out wrinkles of illegal activity. The court won’t tolerate it and the jury would be instructed to ignore it – if the defense attorney hasn’t already been cautioned by the judge to not bring it up for obvious reasons. This is not a court of public opinion where he can go nuts making wild allegations to cover his tracks like he has habitually done. It’s a court of law.
The government issuing her a tax refund check is a legal transaction. He may whine publicly about the amount of refund she got but in court, he has to prove it. And he has to prove entitlement to it – which is where it gets really tough because he can’t say he was owed the money for funding vehicles or expenses to traffic drugs because that’s a contract to do something illegal.
If the signatures on those checks are dubious – look like they’ve been forged, it doesn’t matter what he has to say. He’s fucked.
Oh I agree 100% that based upon what I have heard about his conduct and the charges he SHOULD be convicted. But as to whether “he’s fucked” – you have far more confidence in the judicial system than do I.
I strongly suspect that SinkLiar’s whole defense is summed up in one song
The Snooze site continues it slow limp into nothingness with another thrilling piece by Ilse (who continues to side step any comments about the “legal” issues of her lover boy). The post itself is just more gibberish as she repeats the most extreme accusations of Fox News. But I feel a need to quickly address her stupid manta that she keeps using at the end of her drunken diatribes (“Keep ’em poor, keep ’em desperate, keep ’em voting Democratic).
So listen up Ilse and please write this all down (since I’m sure you have already had your daily breakfast of beer and corn flakes and might have trouble following what I’m telling you). Yes, a lot of people are either poor or getting there. Basically, a lot of this has to do with the near total collapse of the global economic system under George W. Bush. True, the unique (and largely dumb) economic policies of the US can be traced through various administrations all the way back to the major “reforms” under Ronald Reagan. There’s room to blame all around. But mostly it is due to wild right wing policies under lots of wild and right wing members of the GOP.
Desperate? Lots of people are feeling desperate. Has something to do with issues of social and economic inequality. Oh, you are not referring to that? Then what the hell are you talking about? Seems that you think people are feeling desperate because they want more inequality. You got some funny ideas in your head, lady.
Vote Democratic. ROFL. I have been a Democratic my whole live and one thing I have learned (with a nod to Casey Stengel), the Democratic Party has taught me more ways to lose than I ever knew existed. So it would seem that you are accusing the Democratics of a fiendish scheme that doesn’t much work. So are you saying that we are stupid as well as desperate?
Oh that Thornton Parsons is such a Wingnut KOOK, at least yesterday she wasn’t screeching *Benghazi this* and *Benghazi that*, while calling your President a Muslim…She has a very lonely Twitter account, her account is suppose to sell/promote her books which have nothing to do with what she tweets. I can see why she and FatBoy get along, they’re both *idiots* that are certifiably NUTZ.
Meesh,
You’re half right. In her new post, she doesn’t say anything about Benghazi. But she does accuse Obama of being a Muslim supporter. She can’t help herself. She is totally nuts. Add in the booze and watch out. She has a Twitter account? Pretty scary.
Dennis,
She has two Twitter accounts, here’s one—> https://twitter.com/ThorntonParsons
The other one is just as crazy. Here’s her blawg—>http://tparsonsblog.blogspot.ca/
I see your point, Meesh. Just looked at the Twitter account. All Benghazi, all the time.
She even chants that to Faux News reporters, Donald Trump etc. She complained once or twice that Twitter banned her for *Spamming* She had a whole pack of these tweets:
You can no longer see them all, due to the Twitter new format…and of course everyone marked it as SPAM…Twitter removed them, so in reality it isn’t Twitter who decides what’s spam. GeeWhiz even Thornton-Baby gets on the nerve of the WingNuts at Faux Snooze etc. Yeh her and FatBoy are a match made in heaven. HeHe–> *Thunder* and *Lightning*.
HeHe the baby picture is gone on his Facebook, he replaced it with this….
Boy I’m skerred FatBoy 🙄
Oh, he must be getting ready for his court date tomorrow. Time to get lyin’. He’s going to fix the judge with that steely look and roar. Yes siree. Odd thing. At these sort of moments, the animal he normally resembles is…
He’s going back to his old roots, is all…He’s getting back into character…Last time around:
Noticed this at Fatboys…
Sound like he just did a bang up job of getting them to toss the case. BTW, has anyone ever been given capital punishment for a 4th degree felony charge or will he be the first one? Just asking as one lwayer to another lwayer.
Dennis,
Did you also see what’s upcoming other than PartIII of stupidity and what I just posted?↡ Huh??!
WTF?!
I kind of think that he just had a very, very bad day in court. Guess he told the judge that the case was factually false and the judge said bullshit and set a trial date despite his all so obvious innocence. Maybe he even pissed off the DA some more only to discover that his crap doesn’t cut it in criminal court. Can’t wait to hear the next line of gibberish from the master of disaster.
Sooo now he’s after “the Municiple [sic] 🙄 & County Government” of Colorado?! What a dick brain.
We have another new post —–> HERE Let’s move everything there, K?
